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Post by canped on Aug 18, 2008 19:49:08 GMT -5
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SoD Sasquatch
Guitar Hero
Now that's something to get interested in.
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Post by SoD Sasquatch on Aug 20, 2008 16:38:38 GMT -5
Yeah, you're right about not needing starpower. Good fretting dude, this song is awesome! I especially like the hammerons at the end of the song.
Difficulty: Rockband Expert
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Post by canped on Aug 20, 2008 17:22:19 GMT -5
Yay! feedback!
Thanks, the fretting should be perfect because I use my own method of stretching the audio into time and fretting with a sequencer rather than using Feedback and guessing.
Want some more Theray?, anyone?
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Post by furiouss on Aug 20, 2008 18:28:03 GMT -5
first thing the link is to your share folder and not the song..you might wanna fix that.. overall the song is pretty well synced. there only 1 section that was outta whack. another part of the song where it goes g-b-b-g-b-g-y-r-y etc etc theres notes missing there. and where it goes-- gy-gy-g-g-gy-gy-g-g-gr-gy-gb thats doesnt make sense but overall not bad not bad at all oh and btw theres more work to feedback then just guessing  |
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Post by canped on Aug 20, 2008 19:44:33 GMT -5
OK, OK... Feedback's just not for me. You do have to guess to set up the BPM and work out note placement- well, it's not exactly guessing but you know what I mean. Its all manual and just looking at the FoF charts, people can make a lot of mistakes.
I can play this song on real guitar- the notes missing are from a delay pedal (the Boss Memory Man) so I didn't think they needed fretted. The other section is similar to what's played on the guitar, the bottom end of the chord shifts down, its hard to hear but the bass does the same thing.
The beat-sync thing went a bit mental towards the end; I had to set up a lot of this manually and I may not have got it 100% at that end part- you've got me there.
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Post by Triple D on Aug 20, 2008 21:27:12 GMT -5
Hey, if this song is like 90% of the songs in existence, you should be able to find the BPM easily and never have to change it once throughout the song. Assuming the song is recorded to a click, like pretty much every song, you can find an "exact" BPM like so: Download any timer software that works decently. Next, start the song and get the beat down (use your foot to keep the beat, it helps ). Start the timer, and then begin counting beats at the same time. You should click the start timer button when you say "one". Count the beats for as long as you feel necessary, I'd say until around three minutes. Once you reach the three minute-ish mark and possibly the end of the song, stop the timer on a beat. Take the number of beats, divide by the elapsed time on the timer, and multiply by 60. It may sound complicated, but it's not that difficult. Plus, every single chart I have made hasn't required more than one setting of the BPM. I feel this method is much easier than the hassle of the BPM analyzers. Also, this may not be a good method for songs that switch BPMs, but you could give it a shot and find the BPM for each section. If everyone would use this method, our charts would be much more professional-looking. |
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Post by canped on Aug 20, 2008 22:11:50 GMT -5
I'm a music producer. I know how to work out a tempo and this is a pathetically amatuerish way of doing it, sorry- I know you're trying to help but I DO know what I'm doing, no offence. A suprisingly low number of rock songs, particularly in the early 90s, are recorded to a click. Its pretty much just metal and pop.
The correct way is to zoom into the start of the song and set it to begin at the trough of the first sound wave (or beat), especially if there's a count-in. and then change a metronome running parallel with the wave in tempo until you've got it perfectly and make sure its constant throughout the song. Usually, its not. Most rock bands record live.
Plus, even if you know what the original tempo was recorded at, the mastering process will add arbitrary lengths of silence to the start of the track, so its hard to get the metronome in the right place without trimming the track.
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Post by Triple D on Aug 20, 2008 22:23:53 GMT -5
I understand that you're a music producer, and you may be right about them not recording to it, but this method has worked for countless songs for me, regardless of how "amateur" it is. My method takes as little as three minutes and I don't have to deal with the BPM ever again, but I've apparently stumbled across a pile of songs recorded to a click. I'm not the biggest 90s rock fretter, either, so our experiences probably differ.
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Post by canped on Aug 21, 2008 12:13:51 GMT -5
Yeah; just be careful about arbitrary start times. A lot of modern rocjk bands don't use a click; Iron Maiden's last album wasn't, I'm pretty sure the Raconteurs don't use one, new Therapy?...
The list is endless, but for metal, everything is about precision, so they'll usually use a click track. For most of the music I listen to, there won't be a click. And if there is, I've got a few hi-tech tricks to work it out, anyway. I hope someone without fancy training and equipment can get some use out of your method, though. I'm sure it'd work OK.
EDIT: In fact, can I get a link to one of your charts, I'd like to see how well it works for myself and try new people's charts. I can't find anything on this forum by you...
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Post by Triple D on Aug 21, 2008 12:35:41 GMT -5
I'm not particularly comfortable with putting up the songs for download, but I guess I'll upload See the World by Gomez, I guess it's one of my best frettings.
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Post by canped on Aug 21, 2008 12:52:53 GMT -5
I love that song!
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Post by Triple D on Aug 21, 2008 13:16:09 GMT -5
It's one of my all time favorites.  Before you play it, make sure you know this. There's only one guitar difficulty, but there is all bass difficulties. So if you really just want to test the synch, I suggest bass track. Also, I'm not an A+ fretter and I know there's a few missing notes, such as where I couldn't work out the prechorus for guitar. This is the closest you'll get to a completed song from me. Here it is: www.mediafire.com/?rkotcyz8la3I plan on making all guitar difficulties with no missing notes in the future! |
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Post by canped on Aug 21, 2008 14:45:20 GMT -5
You're right- the sync is absolutly perfect. The fretting's brilliant as well, you're selling yourself short (the prechorus is very similar to the intro; in fact I think prechorus A is exactly the same, and B just changes a few notes). Can't wait for a full release of this, actually. Thanks.
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Post by Triple D on Aug 21, 2008 15:16:17 GMT -5
Well I'm glad you like it. I'll finish it up for you after I complete all of my summer school work. I gotta tell you, I shouldn't have waited until this far into the summer. I'd like to mention my dad records music as well, he doesn't have a degree, though, it's just his hobby for when he retires. I'm not sure what he uses to do all of it, but he has Logic Pro and I could try that out for chart making. |
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Post by canped on Aug 21, 2008 15:39:33 GMT -5
Logic is fantastic software- If I was running a mac I'd use it but I don't know about all the ins and outs and fancy unique gibberish it can do. I think Ableton Live is the best software for making charts, then I touch it up in Sonar (which is similar to Logic).
Summer school work? Ouch. Well, it'll mean you can get through the next year that much easier.
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