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Post by cool29801 on Aug 19, 2009 1:32:53 GMT -5
Yeah, title says it all. My friend recently got the game free for his xbox 360, so we spent some time with it. IT SUCKS!! The note charts are absolute crap for Rockband drums, and I wouldn't doubt their just as worse for full drums. The songs that are on there and rockband are no fun to play due to crappy charting, and the venues are crap. I didn't see any worth ripping. The ones I remember are Half of a ship and a carnival, which both sucked. We were PO'ed how terrible the game was, so we put in Rockband 2 and loaded up "I'm shipping up to boston" from dropkick murphys. It was freakin amazing. The whole gameplay, looks, feel, and animations especially dominate the crap out of that game. www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhEZd60ALs8&feature=relatedThat isn't me in the video, but it's just another awesome video showing Shipping up to boston on RB2. I could go forever on a WT rant, but I will refrain for now.
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Post by moonflow43 on Aug 19, 2009 10:47:12 GMT -5
much more detailed than gzguy, haha.
anyways, i agree with you on the drum charts. i also play on a rb kit (may or may not be the problem) but the charts are just so lame, i find most of them to be either repetitive and boring or just plain too hard. either way, i'm not having as much fun as i do in rb.
also, the game is called guitar hero world tour and it really shows when you play guitar. is most of the charting over the top? yea sure, but it actually can be fun. especially after playing a lot of the tameness that is rb. my main problem with ghwt is the average song length is like 7 min, lmao.
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Post by Fun498 on Aug 19, 2009 11:32:54 GMT -5
ehh.....I'm sick of WT hate threads. Yeah, iots the worst game in the series, but if you don't like Neversoft because of all thatold propaganda, stick to talking about RB. If you don't like RB, talk about GH. Yes, the game was dissapointed and kind of sucked. The note charts on drums aren't just as WORSE for the GH drumkit. I freakin hate RB drums on my GH drum kit. Each game isd meant to be played with their own kit, but there is support just to make it all look pretty. Yeh, I hated playing the RB kit on WT. It didn't make too much sensae. But if you use a WT kit, its amazing. Again, I tried playing RB drums with my WT kit and if you want to put it your way, its absolutely hilarious [censored]. Toms are charted as cymbals, the crash is a pad, You can't even hit some of the patters without crossing your arms into a not. Talking with people outside of Scorehero in hate threads gets on my nerves because of stuff like this. Its reduntant to those uneduacated on the subject. I've looked at tons of facts and opinions. Aso, GH3 had to be rushed which is why it was kinda bad(great in my opinion though) and WT had problems with purple notes asnd song selection. Neversoft had to built their own engine and new models and such in less than a year for GH3. By the time WT came out, they had about as much time with the GH series as Harmonix did when GH1 came out. GH1 had covers, a broken HOPO system and only half the songs as WT. Point is that you can make anything horrible or great. Neversoft is just getting settled into GH to the point where Harmonix was when GH2 came out now. GH5 will most likely beat the Harmonix games. I have folled it very closely and it looks like it'll beat GH2(time to get memorabillia attacks). Also, why do we have a hate thread? ?? I think these types of threads are wastes of time and just cause too many arguments and problems. If you want to talk GH, there is a nice little section of Scorehero called "Misc. GH disscussion" and another called "Misc RB disscusion" Please talk it out civilly with much more open and experienced people there. Also, a thread like this would be insta locked and the poster would be banned. Just saying. Fanboyism is just really childish and stupid. I can't stress enough: IF YOU LIKE RB THEN TALK ABOUT RB, IF YOU LIKE GH, TALK ABOUT GH.
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Post by moonflow43 on Aug 19, 2009 11:54:30 GMT -5
i've played gh sh on rb drums and it is actually a lot better. maybe it was the song choices in wt or maybe it really was the charting but i think sh was a vast improvement. so i really don't think it has anything to do with the kit themselves.
and i would like to point out the gh1's hopo system was NOT broken. it worked very well it just actually required skill. and i still do my hopo's this way (excluding solos, lmao)
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Post by Fun498 on Aug 19, 2009 12:04:33 GMT -5
It depenmds what you define as broken. By that definition neither are the purple notes. Each have strange timing windows and strange rules. GH2 hopos were great. GH3 was too tight. But it is gewnerally accepted that GH1 hopos were a mistake and broken.
Also, it has NOTHING to do with charting for drums.Unlike RB whch changes what each pad is between songs and mid-song, GH keeps them the same. So therefore charting will never be done any differently in GH. You can alsways debnate GH guitar charts since those are subjective and artistic, but drum charts are bassically straight the way you play the song on real drums. SH is no different from WT. Hi-hats are still all on yellow, crash and ride are still all on orange, snare is still on red, and blue and green will always be the hi, low, and floor tomes respectivally(green is both low and floor toms.) So the charts are fine. Your just playing it on a kit that they aren't designed for. Play Rb on a GH kit.
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Post by cool29801 on Aug 19, 2009 12:39:17 GMT -5
ehh.....I'm sick of WT hate threads. Yeah, iots the worst game in the series, but if you don't like Neversoft because of all thatold propaganda, stick to talking about RB. If you don't like RB, talk about GH. Yes, the game was dissapointed and kind of sucked. The game really sucked. Its not worth having for free haha, I feel especially bad for those who paid for it. I don't judge the game because of the C&D, that's a whole different story. (though you should hate them for that anyway) The note charts on drums aren't just as WORSE for the GH drumkit. I freakin hate RB drums on my GH drum kit. Each game isd meant to be played with their own kit, but there is support just to make it all look pretty. I think 'making it look pretty' was the wrong choice of words. Yeah the drums weren't made for that game, but if your going to choose to support them, then why the heck would you choose to make it suck!? They could have used RB charts for the RB songs, or paid a little more attention charting them. Talking with people outside of Scorehero in hate threads gets on my nerves because of stuff like this. Its reduntant to those uneduacated on the subject. I've looked at tons of facts and opinions. Why does it matter if its outside of scorehero? What subjects are there to be uneducated about? Its a game where you match 5 colors to buttons. They're just idiots for somehow screwing it up. Aso, GH3 had to be rushed which is why it was kinda bad(great in my opinion though) and WT had problems with purple notes asnd song selection. Neversoft had to built their own engine and new models and such in less than a year for GH3. By the time WT came out, they had about as much time with the GH series as Harmonix did when GH1 came out. GH1 had covers, a broken HOPO system and only half the songs as WT. GH1 Had a perfect HOPO system, people just sucked at it. GH2 was better, as it was like the perfect balance between too easy and too hard. Second, it's the companies own fault if a game ends up rushed or crappy. Theres no way to cover it up, they could have delayed it if they cared enough about the game and not the money. Neversoft is just getting settled into GH to the point where Harmonix was when GH2 came out now. That's not how it should work. They shouldn't have to worm their way into being a GH game and waste peoples money. Also, why do we have a hate thread? ?? I think these types of threads are wastes of time and just cause too many arguments and problems. If you want to talk GH, there is a nice little section of Scorehero called "Misc. GH disscussion" and another called "Misc RB disscusion" Please talk it out civilly with much more open and experienced people there. Also, a thread like this would be insta locked and the poster would be banned. Just saying. Fanboyism is just really childish and stupid. I can't stress enough: This is the quote I've been waiting to get too. Here we go! You are the only GH3+ fanboy of this forum. You can't tell us to go to a different (and perhaps, BIASED) forum to have a 'civil discussion'. I think the game sucks, so I post that right here right now, in the SPAM SECTION. We are NOT scorehero. By saying "Fanboyism is just really childish and stupid.", I could take offense to that. However, seeing the only fanboy in here is you, your basically talking to a mirror. You can't bash rock band like you did, then say "fight threads are stupid and a waste, don't be a fanboy" Again, it's only making you talk into a mirror. [/Rant]
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Post by Triple D on Aug 19, 2009 12:58:05 GMT -5
Personally GH1 was my favorite, if only it had gameplay like RB2. Yeah, I don't mind how the songs were covers, I'd still much rather play the songs that it had than any other game that came out. The HOPOs did make some amount of sense, but were too difficult for me to handle at the time of playing it.
As for GH3, that game was good fun because with it's "so-easy-a-caveman-could-do-it" HOPO system, I could pretty much play all kinds of wicked stuff, and it just made it awesomely fun.
I've never played any Guitar Heros passed 3.
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Post by cool29801 on Aug 19, 2009 13:11:51 GMT -5
GH3 Hopo's were too easy. You need to go rent GH2 or buy it.. NOW!!
I played it originally on Ps2, it's beautiful on the 360 but seems harder.
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Post by Fun498 on Aug 19, 2009 15:41:07 GMT -5
I'm not a fanboy of anything. I like RB just as much as GH(well, maybe GH just a very, very, very slight bit more). Also, RB also had no added support or care for GH drums. The fact of the matter is, they didn't have the ability to look at each other's sets and make them super-compatible.
You can't bash Neversoft for not caring about the game, not putting time into it, or only caring about money. Activision is the puplisher and they make those decisions. They are the business people in it for the money. They also puplished GH2 and GH80's. HArmonix isn't "better" because they had more time to work on the game. My point is valid. Activision already had the GH3 release date set up when the developer changed out of neither developer's will. Well, I guess we will say that GH3 hopos weren't broken because they are a different preference and just wider and neither are WT purple notes because they are just really hard to hit.
uhhhh.......Scorehero isn't biased. Its just that most people there know much more about what is broken and what is the publisher's fault. I have talked to people from Neversoft there and also a few people from Harmonix and they are both cool teams. Seriously, if you don't like a game, thats you. Some people don't like RB. Its not like either is just cheaply made and horrible. They are different games for different people.
Now I got to go install RB to my Harddrive.............
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Post by CJB100 on Aug 19, 2009 15:52:55 GMT -5
As far as the drum charts go, for some songs like everlong, they really couldn't help it. I understand not wanting two drumsets, which it why support was added. But the charts do not change. The orange note simply gets pushed to either the blue or green notes im pretty sure. Regardless i know for a fact that there are not seperate charts. So on this point, I really will have to agree with Fun. However, on every other point made, I agree with everyone else. This game sucked. Only get it if you like the song creator and actually are good at it, or if you plan on only playing guitar. Guitar Hero will never, Never, NEVER beat an RB game, much in the same way that two people who play guitar hero for equal amounts of time, but start off at two different times, will never equal each other in talent. Harmonix got the series going first, and have more experience in making a good game. They will always be ahead of Neversoft/Activision because of that. Not to mention if you still follow Guitar Hero past Guitar Hero IV for any other reason than you're a metallica junky and played GH: Metallica, you're a fanboi, even if you don't realize it. And you're crazy if you think that Guitar Hero V will be better. Guitar Hero V will be just as big of a flop because instead of improving upon things they implemented in GH: IV, they are gonna try and add a shitload of new stuff in it. That's not to say the guitar part of the game won't be good, though, because it will. That's why it's Guitar Hero. Also, please, for the love of God don't anyone even think about starting to talk about Neversoft/Activision's newest blunder: Band Hero. Just listening to the soundtrack makes my head explode. Dude, RB2 came out on 360 before GH: IV, fun. Of course there is no support.
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Post by Fun498 on Aug 19, 2009 16:30:05 GMT -5
Everyone give yourselfs a favor and read a bit up on GH5. While WT was a big flop in my opinion(and almost all opinions) Metallica and Smash Hits did recieve much more positive feedback. Anyway, GH5 definately is fixing EVERYTHING from WT maybe minus rythm guitar. They really spent a lot of time making sure user complaints are fixed. I'm really excited about that. I don't see how the game could go wrong. Great setlist, great engine, great multiplayer redesign, great career set-up, agreat flexibility, WT AND SH export, possible future Metallica export, GHWT DLC compatibility, fixed grahics, and more!
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Post by CJB100 on Aug 19, 2009 16:55:16 GMT -5
Uh huh. And all of thats not already in rb? rb export/import for all systems minus wii, rb 2 and rb 1 downloadable content is all compatible, great engine, multiplayer, career. Rb pwns guitar hero in every way except the song editor, which is already confirmed (as well as being one of the only things confirmed) in Rb3. Not Rb: Beatles. Rb3. Yes. They are making a third one. And how do you know the setlist will be good? Due to your opinion that the GH: IV setlist was good, quoting you in your other thread, I doubt we have the same tastes in music. Not to mention that almost everything about the game is speculation, as with Rb3, and not CONFIRMED. And I don't give two [censored] about UNCONFIRMED things because unconfirmed things have a way of just being made-up bull. You say Scorehero knows more about these upcoming games than us, which to be quite honest tells me that you have no clue what you're talking about man. Scorehero are normal people just like us logging in and saying stuff on a public forum. I can garuntee you person for person, we know probably just as much or a little slight bit less than they do. Given they know more about games that have ALREADY BEEN RELEASED than us, because we don't take the time to try and figure out how All the guitar hero and Rb games work. Saying they know more about something which hasn't come out out yet is insinuating that they have some sort of inside info. Which I'm awfully sure they don't, and if they say they do, the chance that they're lying is unexplainably high.
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Post by cool29801 on Aug 19, 2009 16:58:49 GMT -5
"everyone give yourselfs a favor and read a bit up" super grammar fail... I had to point it out, i've been resisting to correct your posts all day. Basically, fun, it's GH.. They've screwed people over on buying crap games that are the same now ever since games came out after GH3. Have you ever looked up the Tony Hawk series? After THPS4 and Underground (when they really got popular) Act/Nev made way too many more of them that sucked, nobody cared about the new games. Then came skate (figurative Rockband) to dominate it. I don't care about the whole idea of fixed graphics, engine, ect. My point is the models are stupid looking, animations are terrible, song selections suck, and the game is all around based on being a 'fantasy rockstar'. I have to fight myself to not start dissing Band Hero (another epic fail in creation) or even DJ hero which is a whole new level of gay. I watched videos of it, and they played the most annoying stupid songs to ever reach the radio. Activision/Neversoft are banking off the series, when they could've just released smash hits as DLC content. They didn't even include Jordan in it!!
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Post by Fun498 on Aug 19, 2009 19:02:45 GMT -5
rofl. With some of those last comments I will walk away from this conversation. Dude, Bandhero and DJHero are for different people. I don't like them and a lot of GH?/RB fans don't. Why? Because they aren't designed for GH or RB fans. Also, I think Leapfrog games suck. Like that has anything to do with GH..........
Anyway, SH should not have been DLC. It would have been almost double the price! Fanboy alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, yeah, Scorehero people are generally very informed and there are Neversoft employes and Harmonix employes are online, so sometimes we get some clarifications and stuff. Plus GH5 IS NOT RUMERS. Everything I said is confirmed. rofl. Good luck debating. I'll be talking constructively over at Scorehero on matters such as this.
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Post by CJB100 on Aug 19, 2009 19:14:35 GMT -5
Okay, that's cool walk away. Im being serious it what I would have done if I were you.
However, I think you'll find that more than likely there are, if any, they are few, the harmonix and activision employees on score hero.
Also, did I ever say Gh5 was rumors? No, I most certainly did not. I said most of the things going on about Gh5 and Rb3 are rumors, and I won't believe it until its confirmed by its publishers. And so far I have yet to hear any confirmed improvements; just new features. You could be wrong. I could be wrong. How can we be sure; we can't. And neither can anyone at score hero. So don't say that you got secret info from Score Hero is all I'm saying.
Now Rb3 on the other hand, it is CONFIRMED that they will have a song editor like Guitar: IV's. It is also unfortunately confirmed that there will be no band freestyle mode like some people have requested, although if the song editor is close to gh's at all, it won't really matter.
Everything else about these upcoming games is a mystery, and will be until their release.
EDIT::: I just looked up the setlist, also. It's just as much of a flop as the first, with roughly 10 good songs, 10 crappy songs by good artists, and 60 just "Wtf??" songs.
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Post by moonflow43 on Aug 19, 2009 20:16:21 GMT -5
cjb, there is actually a ton of coverage on gh5. there is something in my rss like every other day about it, haha. and they get that info from interviews and always state when it's from a possible unreliable source. i'm not exactly sure what info i should be defending here but i'm just saying that there is a ton of news on it so it won't really be a big mystery when it comes out. and same goes for rb beatles.
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Post by Fun498 on Aug 19, 2009 21:01:35 GMT -5
I'll stick around a bit actually. I can't let people be misinfprmewd like this. Kurt Cobain and Matt Balemy are the only two rumers really. But they have both been mentioned to be in the game by Joystick and a dude from IGN(On his twitter). Also, I never heard about RB3 having a music studio. I heard rumors, but I don't follow RB3 very well since I didn't know it was confirmed yet. lol.
Also, I saw like 5 posts by Neversoft members just in the last few hours. They are everywhere. Also, I forgot. Score Hero staff has played the FULL FINISHED copy of GH5. They even made a big write up on it. I'd go read it if I were you. You guys are so miss-informed its hilarious. Like seriosuly, this is ppretty sad to me. I'm used to forums where people are up-to-date and unbiased.
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Post by ~Triple-Jc~ on Aug 19, 2009 21:08:36 GMT -5
dude!! CJB! they confirmed RB3!!! HOLY CRAP!!! i didnt know i thought it was only the beatles so far
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Post by Fun498 on Aug 19, 2009 21:15:16 GMT -5
I searched on multiple search engines and looked on the RB website, and all I can find about this game are rumors. Not saying your lying, but can I have a link please? Even Scorehero doesn't have info
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Post by Triple D on Aug 19, 2009 21:18:21 GMT -5
I once defended you maybe a week ago, but that may have been foolish on my part. I'm not sure you're such in a high and mighty position toward all of us "misinformed" people. But thank God, you've decided to stay and inform us, or we'd surely perish!
The members of Score Hero have damn well created the game, I don't give a care. They are simply people, and lots of things they will say about the game are in fact their opinions. Oddly enough, I've found that opinions will differ from one person to another. Strange how that works. Also, claiming ScoreHero is unbiased is equally foolish to believe, I can't honestly claim to be unbiased about anything, so why could they?
I will agree with Moonflow, though, for the most part, anything that will be in either of the games has likely been announced, and will likely be in the game. Developers tend not to announce what they can't provide.
As for everyone else, you realize that putting the game down in any manner at all is futile, right? Claiming Rock Band has a more mature engine isn't going to change anything, he likes the way GH plays, and probably likes the songs the developer chooses. That's the cool thing about music, you can (or at least should be able to) like whatever type you want without other's putting you down for it. It's his opinion after all.
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Post by Fun498 on Aug 19, 2009 21:28:52 GMT -5
Epic Win Triple D! Thats what I was saying really in the beggining. They are two different games for two different people and some people like one and some like the other. I LIKE BOTH. Why does everyone think I hate RB? I love both games. Is that hard? Just because I like GH doesn't obligate me to hate RB. Anyway, I didn't appreciate the sarcasm in the beggining of that post. I'm just saying I am really up to date on this stuff and have read 1000's of pages of opinions, debates, and facts about GH and RB. Nothing personall against anyone, but to be honest, its frustrating that people think facts are rumors or don't know WTF they are talking about. Well, the people on Scorehero can be biased, but many of the more frequrent posters and stuff are pretty objective. Everyone has an opinion. I'm just saying they are more open minded for the most part(99% of them). Check the community out some time! Its a cool place. Also, please RB3 post..............I really want to see that.
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Post by cool29801 on Aug 19, 2009 21:44:53 GMT -5
what does it matter if the game has a working engine for once?
The game sucks! A working engine isn't going to fix the crappy setlist now is it?
Will it make the venue's cooler than a carnival?
Or the note charts not suck?
GH has ruined their name in our opinions fun, you should judge a game by it's previous titles and not what they say.
If someone said they were going to give you candy, then gave you poop, then they say they have better candy, are you going to take it? Cause at this point you seem like you would.
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Post by CJB100 on Aug 19, 2009 21:57:47 GMT -5
Hold on I'll give you a link for Rb3... if I can find it. Which I'm having trouble doing. I thought I actually read that at score hero ironically enough, but one of my friends, who was over at the time said he read something similar on the Rock Band forums, so I didn't bother checking RB's site at the time. If I can't find it for you, we'll say that the game is a rumor for the time being, although I can pretty much tell you, as long as Guitar Hero sticks to coming out with new games on discs, Rock Band will also.
As for Gh5, I realize it's not going to be too big of a mystery (this is mostly directed at moonflow), and it even has a wikipedia page on how the game works already, but what I am saying is, no one you (fun) know personally has played the game. You (fun) don't KNOW if anyone you know for certain has played the game yet. Therefor there is still that mystery about the game and what will really be like which will persist until it hits the shelves.
And I have, as I have said, seen no improvements, just new features, which if they are at all like the old "new features" for GH: IV are going to suck [censored]. Other things include new character models. Big whoop. And a new setlist, which I have already commented on.
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Post by ~Triple-Jc~ on Aug 19, 2009 22:02:19 GMT -5
cough cough*
i read in two places that RB3 was confirmed for next year by the developer. and fun, i dont lie about that stuff.
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Post by Fun498 on Aug 19, 2009 22:28:31 GMT -5
Musical taste is highly related to opinion. The only thing that can determmine the quality of a setlist objectively is how difficult/fun the songs are to play. From the Scorehero staff that WERE at a press event a week and a half ago, the song list is very solid. Read their preview if you want to know about the game. Nothing is really a mystery anymore except two unlockable characters. These could not be checked by Scorehero or the press because carrer was empty(no progress) on all of the systems and they were supervised by Neversoft/Activision.
I didn't like the majority of the venues in WT, but then again, I don't like the majority in RB. Again, venue design is subjective.
Improvements vs. Fixes:
Post a problem with WT here and I'll tell you how it is fixed. The improvements seem pretty unintrusive and cool to me.
Also.....did I mention......focus mode! It allows you to play with a black background and black fretboard!!!!!!
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Post by moonflow43 on Aug 19, 2009 22:40:40 GMT -5
i found an improvement!!
doesn't that make you just wanna rush out and buy it? XD
@everyone, seriously, calm down. it's all opinions and saying something sucks isn't gonna magicly make other people think it also sucks. i personally prefer rock band but i'll give gh5 a chance if it happens to be good.
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Post by Fun498 on Aug 19, 2009 22:42:02 GMT -5
I avtually liked the rope. But not the purple one. I hated that. Gray low profile note FTW.
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Post by cool29801 on Aug 19, 2009 23:07:56 GMT -5
Post a problem with WT here and I'll tell you how it is fixed. The improvements seem pretty unintrusive and cool to me. Problem - Bad songs Problem - Crappy animations and facial expressions Problem - Crappy game theme Problem - Crappy venues Problem - Crappy note charts. (played guitar on a lot, it sucks on WT and SH) I could go on forever
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Post by Fun498 on Aug 19, 2009 23:12:40 GMT -5
Problem-Your opinion
Solution-play RB and leave GH forpeople who like it
Animations look a hell of a lot better. They blow RB away. Excpessically facial animations. Check out the Johny cash trailer. He looks almost real. Everything else=your opinion.
Post a real problem.
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Post by cool29801 on Aug 19, 2009 23:21:05 GMT -5
The game is a real problem, it's a piece of crap. If your trying to get me to leave my opinion out, how about you leave yours out instead of jumping into a WT hate thread? Your trying to make it sound like it's a fact that it's a great game and the future titles are going to be amazing. I'm judging by logic and what I have seen by the company. Your judging by what random people have told you over the interwebs. Rock Band 2GHWTGHWT2
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