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Post by flipsk8r1409 on Nov 24, 2008 15:36:29 GMT -5
allright im changing this song to do that actually and this helped me quite a bit .
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Post by CJB100 on Nov 24, 2008 16:41:35 GMT -5
@ canped:
yah the same fret one string higher is the easiest route to go (although it sounds sorta wierd for some songs, it kinda sounds chinese = F).
i know the harmonies for the guitar solo in system of a down's lonely day, and the constant powerchord (or in that song's case, reverse powerchord) hardly always works; i don't know the exact theory behind it either, but i know that some notes will not sound right using only the powerchord/reverse powerchord fingering. every once in a while you have to add in what looks like a powerchord raised to a fifth, more commonly known as an augmented powerchord.
@ flip:
in short, the easiest harmony to do live would be the one which uses the same frets, but also includes the next string up (physically).
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Post by hzac on Nov 24, 2008 18:36:12 GMT -5
I see what you mean capned. Major 3rds work 95% of the time when harmonising single notes ie solos and leads, but i can see your trying to help him harmonise chords. not exactly something i do.. anyway.. good luck flip let as hear when youve corrected them
EDIT: i just realised 4ths and 5th harmonies give off a different sounds.. more dark (thats what the band Death use) and imo not the best sounds.. It sounds great for them but only becuase they are metal as. 3rds give a more rounded feel to harmonisation its jsut a matter of using them correctly
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Post by flipsk8r1409 on Nov 25, 2008 6:49:33 GMT -5
ok corrected the song to used the right notes to harmonize ( except the chorus couldn't fully figure that one out ) and added some drums it still actually doesn't sound all that great to me link www.mediafire.com/?nzizdttdmmy
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Post by canped on Nov 25, 2008 9:08:33 GMT -5
I see what you mean capned. Major 3rds work 95% of the time when harmonising single notes ie solos and leads, but i can see your trying to help him harmonise chords. not exactly something i do.. anyway.. good luck flip let as hear when youve corrected them EDIT: i just realised 4ths and 5th harmonies give off a different sounds.. more dark (thats what the band Death use) and imo not the best sounds.. It sounds great for them but only becuase they are metal as. 3rds give a more rounded feel to harmonisation its jsut a matter of using them correctly I'm still not sure I understand this fully- major 3rd transpostion is really hard to do (relative to 4th and 5th) and those harmonies should just give chord-like sounds, not 'dark' overtones. Harmonising chords... that's even harder- I mean single notes. I'll go record some examples to shopw you what I mean.
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Post by hzac on Nov 25, 2008 18:53:55 GMT -5
Ok cool.. I think im confusing myself aswell as you.. as you are confusing me also.
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Post by flipsk8r1409 on Nov 26, 2008 5:01:55 GMT -5
you guys think your confused i asked for a simple explanation of how to harmonize im just over here like wtf are they on about ok new version of the metal song up exported to mp3 and added a sweeping solo ( doesn't sound that good but i wanted to see how it would harmonize its really more of a test than a real solo ) www.mediafire.com/?zdfymmj0iym
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Post by CJB100 on Nov 26, 2008 14:10:37 GMT -5
i actually like the general feel of this track. the drums could definately use some work, but there is variation here (which is very good) and it doesn't sound half bad. The guitar part is okay. generally the way the guitar is played is better than it's tonal qualities tho, which suggests that what you're struggling with is not being able to play the guitar (which it sounds like you can play fairly well; much better than me anyways). the problem is music theory and composition skills. my review of the song:
There isn't much of anything wrong with the intro, except maybe that some of the timing is slightly off. work with it a little, it feels somewhat underdeveloped. for the most part the first 30 seconds is good. (i really like the parts at the end of every bar, it has nice lead guitar and great metal drumbeats to boot. ;D) then we get to the part around 0:32 that goes on for about 11 seconds. and truthfully, that bit doesn't sound in place with the rest of the track anyways. the post-breakdown bit right after was pretty cool, and the crunchy style chords that followed sounded great, but the tonal qualities (notes) need to change to fit the rest of the song. the breakdown with the drums at around 0:51 feels out of place, unless you were going for a fake-out sorta effect. the crunchy section also drags on after about 8 bars (16 seconds). the part afterward (starts around 1:28) features a cool drumbeat, overlayed by super-fast chords. truthfully the backing guitar track fits very comfortably into the song, but at around 1:31 the lead guitar just completely ruins it. and it doesn't cease to ruin every other bar after that either, not to mention that every second time it's played, it sounds like a mistake is made. then the breakdown again, which up until the sweeping stuff is undoubtedly the highlight of the song. afterwards we see the crunch-tastic section again, which still is just far too long to keep attention, especially a second time. then we get to the speed-metal-esque part again, and right as it seems that there is nothing left to critique upon, we get to the solo. the intro (2:40 - 2:42) sounds forced, and not in tune with the rest of the song. the part that follows however, is pretty close to golden. the first bit (2:42 - 2:44) sounds great, but after those two bits, the notes go up way too high to fit in with the song. nonetheless, it's pretty awesome, and the outro to the fast section of the solo isn't half bad either, although it sounds like it could use a bit of work. the last section to the song before the final breakdown suffers from the same stuff as the first section i reviewed, that starts at 0:33. The final breakdown sounds like gold, and ends very nicely. good job on that. Conclusion:Overall, this sounds like a demo song; the song that you work with initially to develop something great. you need to just spend a lot of time shaping a song, instead of calling it finished after just a few tries. this could turn into something awesome. just keep working with it. Btw, it's good to see that you are introducing "sections" into your songs. it makes it much more interesting to listen to and review. Also, are you recording the drums? it doesn't sound like a midi track, but it sure doesn't sound like real drums either.
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Post by flipsk8r1409 on Nov 26, 2008 16:55:53 GMT -5
nothing in this is actually being played its all exported from guitar pro with rse ( real time sound emulation or something like that ) on oh and i never said this was done its nowhere near done
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Post by canped on Nov 26, 2008 17:04:55 GMT -5
I think its Guitar Pro drums, CBJ; definitly MIDI. Anyway; the drums are following the guitar too closely. Keep listening to more music and get ideas from it; some things in this just don't work but I don't wanna go into detail because... well, I can't be bothered and most of my earlier criticisms still stand- it IS progress, though.
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Post by CJB100 on Nov 26, 2008 20:27:58 GMT -5
i realize that but just stick to one song instead of trying to work on multiple songs at one time, cuz it always seems like you make a song and then move on to another one. of course, i don't know what's going on behind the scenes so.... idk. i am just going on what i know.
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Post by hzac on Nov 26, 2008 22:22:55 GMT -5
Im currently making 4 songs. so, in yo face
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Post by flipsk8r1409 on Nov 27, 2008 6:38:13 GMT -5
but hzac your a much better song writer than me so i get what cjb is saying
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Post by canped on Nov 27, 2008 14:51:29 GMT -5
Im currently making 4 songs. so, in yo face Currently working on; 2 acoustic songs, 6 death metal songs (early days on those yet), one noisescape, 5 remixes Death Metal songs will be as follows; Bloodweiser Beheadding Day When Push Comes to Shovel Shirt and Die Interior Dececrating Pieces of Hate (subject to change- patent pending)
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Post by hzac on Nov 27, 2008 17:02:48 GMT -5
Yes but mine will actually get finished, mr i do this for a job. lol
Anyway let me know when some is done so i can hear it. Also lets stop plugging in flips thread. lol
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Post by flipsk8r1409 on Nov 29, 2008 6:25:42 GMT -5
yeah only im allowed to plug in my thread unfortunately my computer crashed so i cant work on any of my songs ( note its not a bad harddrive it just wont put out video ( tried with known working video cards and different ram but nothing ( and i know its not the monitor ) ) ). anyway imma plug for my youtube now cause im bored and almost nobody watches my videos. www.youtube.com/flipsk8r1409edit:: fixed my comp it was the video card turns out the known working video cards had well died i guess i wasnt grounded before touching them and fried them or something but anyway now im running on a video card that has to be from the late 80s (i swear its got 1 meg of memory and no 3d support )
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